Green Shield Stamps. by derekdwc - 1st Mar 2009 4:34pm. "Stories of supporters from other clubs and political groups infiltrating the group emerged, and these were followed by the maladministration of Uefa, the poor quality of the stadium and the cowardice of police. Thank you for this article. Among these clubs were Liverpool, Everton, Manchester United, Arsenal, Chelsea, Nottingham Forest, Tottenham Hotspur, Norwich City, and Leeds United. The Heysel Stadium Disaster was one of the most terrible and horrific times in football. Police released this picture of Constance Marten and Mark Gordon outside East Ham station at around 11.45am on Saturday January 7. All I remember of the game was being allowed to stay up especially, to watch it on TV and being shocked at what I saw. On the other side of the ground a shop front bears the name of the Hillsborough Justice Campaign, a group still fighting for those responsible for pointless, preventable deaths to be brought to account. Not all share his view. It was a sad day for our club, and I will never forget the fans that died then, but I was there, as a boy, and its something that will remain with me forever. They fear it will be impossible for the English fans to receive a fair trial in a country where they have been vilified by the press. As a British 17 year old Juve fan, I travelled to Heysel on the Liverpool train/ferry and stood on the terraces with the Livetpool fans. Investigators said it is unusual for hotels to accept cash payments and appealed to staff at hotels or hostels where the couple may stay to come forward. Mark Gordon, 48, and partner Constance Marten, 35, have been at the centre of a nationwide police hunt for two weeks as fears have grown for the welfare of Miss Marten's newborn baby. They later stayed at a hotel using false names. Albert Roosens, the former secretary-general of the Belgian Football Union (BFU), was given a six-month suspended prison sentence for regrettable negligence with regard to ticketing arrangements. When I asked at the stadium tour office and at the Juve museum where the memorial was nobody knew. They ruled that the supporters were unlawfully killed owing to grossly negligent failures by police and ambulance services to fulfil their duty of care. Is it true that the actions of the few hindered other clubs, like our Merseyside neighbours Everton, and sent them crashing in to mediocrity? Liverpool fans breached the fence and charged. 'Please do this for your child. I am a Chelsea fan who has been going to games for over 50 years now and I vividly remember the Liverpool chairman of the time, blaming Chelsea fans for causing the violence. As the article touched on, it seems many Juve supporters have been more preoccupied with their own clubs attitude towards what happened. 97 supportersLiverpool Football Club remembers the 97 supporters who died in the Hillsborough tragedy, on the 33rd anniversary of the disaster. It makes my blood boil, as it just completely irrelevant on the 15th April, our respects are paid every year on May 30th. An excellent, thoughtful and honest piece of writing. I know that this was somewhere between a knee-jerk response and an attempt to reclaim that offensive description, but it sounded awful. One real mystery surrounding Heysel is that the tragedy is even more of a taboo in Turin. 10 convicted fans stay away as Heysel appeal trial opens Brussels ONLY four Liverpool fans made the journey to Brussels yesterday for the start of the appeal "Whoever decided to put Juve fans in with Liverpool has obviously never been to a football match before. The memorial is a tall plastic column with the names engraved inside it and a very short piece in Italian. But its easy to cloud the day with football rivalries and tribalism. There is an opportunity albeit a further year down the line next May on the unbelievably 30th anniversary I really hope we mobilise to do somethings genuine and large. Mi piacerebbe lUEFA tolga dalle statistiche la Juve Campione dEuropa 1985-. Today a Belgian newspaper said the men had let down their club, their city and their country in an article with the headline: "Welcome in Belgium red Animals". As kick-off approached, the number of missiles increased, again from both sides, until eventually a group of English fans charged and broke through the fence, causing many of the missile-throwing people on the edges of Z to retreat and pen the rest of the section against a broken down perimeter wall. Little wonder then that 12 months later at Heysel Liverpool fans were packed cheek by jowl with Juventus fans trouble was bound to occur. As everyone on this page acknowledges, it has remained a very uncomfortable topic to raise, so thanks again for this balanced and enlightening piece. The pair had disappeared after the car they were travelling in broke down near Bolton on Thursday, January 5. What a terrible night for football regardless of who you support or who you blame. Not one person arrested or charged came from the London area and why would they. Their chairman, John Smith, claimed there were lots of southern accents heard in the strands and pointed the finger at Chelsea fans and they blamed the location of the final. You are as likely to come across debates about how the Juve team celebrated and how the club has done little to commemorate Heysel than you are about the evil of English fans. Ciao, scrivo dallItalia. Fri 1 Apr 2005 18.20 EST. WebThe actions of the minority of Liverpool supporters who charged the Z zone contingent at Heysel was inexcusable, however Juventus fans cannot be excused from blame. WebI'm not sure what any of this has to do with Hillsborough. It was only brought into the open when Liverpool and Juventus were drawn together in the Champions League quarter-final in 2005, at which point the Merseyside club, after consultation with their Italian counterparts, announced it would be a game of friendship. A me non neanche piaciuta lesultanza finale della mia Juventus. But you cant hate the beautiful game forever and in 96 I travelled again, to Rome this time, and saw Juve lift the trophy in joyous circumstances. Constance's ancestors: Lt. Cdr George Marten with wife Mary and daughters Victoria, Charlotte and Georgina. I have regularly commemorated the Heysel disaster, in Anfield, Brussels twice and Turin once in the past five years; to specifically mourn and honour the dead as we do here for Hillsborough. Please dont forget about Constance, Mark and the baby if you see them or think you have seen them then please contact us as a matter of urgency.. Dedicated to Rocco Acerra (29), Bruno Balli (50), Alfons Bos, Giancarlo Bruschera (21), Andrea Casula (11), Giovanni Casula (44), Nino Cerullo (24), Willy Chielens, Giuseppina Conto (17), Dirk Daenecky, Dionisio Fabbro (51), Jacques Franois, Eugenio Gagliano (35), Francesco Galli (25), Giancarlo Gonnelli (20), Alberto Guarini (21), Giovacchino Landini (50), Roberto Lorentini (31), Barbara Lusci (58), Franco Martelli (22), Loris Messore (28), Gianni Mastroiaco (20), Sergio Bastino Mazzino (38), Luciano Rocco Papaluca (38), Luigi Pidone (31), Benito Pistolato (50), Patrick Radcliffe, Domenico Ragazzi (44), Antonio Ragnanese (49), Claude Robert, Mario Ronchi (43), Domenico Russo (28), Tarcisio Salvi (49), Gianfranco Sarto (47), Amedeo Giuseppe Spolaore (55), Mario Spanu (41), Tarcisio Venturin (23), Jean Michel Walla, and Claudio Zavaroni (28). I cried in the Olimpico that night, for Juve, for me, and for the 39. He and I both had our scarves on, we neither spoke the others language but we exchanged scarves, embraced and cried together. It was a moving moment of real reconciliation. There is an annual indication and vindication of such hypocrisy every time the Kop allows the Bucharest 1986 flag to proudly fly. Their are bad people in every city and all we can do is apologise. You wouldn't be able to forgive yourself if they became poorly. A source told the Sunday Times that Ms Marten had access to a trust fund, reportedly from a multimillion-pound trust stored at C. Hoare & Co - the UK's oldest private bank. The Heysel Stadium disaster was a crowd disaster that occurred on 29 May 1985 when mostly Juventus fans escaping from a breach by Liverpool fans were pressed against a collapsing wall in the Heysel Stadium in Brussels, Belgium, before the start of the 1985 European Cup Final between the Italian and English clubs. Nicholas Allt watched the tragedy unfold from on top of the wall at the back of block Z. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. Were they listening in Turin? This followed on from a spate of organised riots during Manchester Uniteds 1973 stint in the Second Division, orchestrated by the so-called Red Army hooligan firm. As a result of the events that unfolded on April 15, 1989, at the FA Cup semi-final against Nottingham Forest, 97 children, women and men lost their lives. At approximately 7 PM, local time, fans on both sides of the divide began picking up broken stones from the crumbling terrace construction, and hurling them over the fence. Your comment will be posted to MailOnline as usual. They were all innocent. Supporters told similar stories on the way home, some had been slashed on the arse and had spent time in hospital. Huge success at home and abroad allowed Liverpool to compete for top players. I was at Heysel. From The good people of Liverpool, how could we ever express our sorrow for what we did @ Heysel ? One man remains in the UK awaiting trial for a separate offence. No amount of context ever could. The ban on English clubs in Europe was indefinite, with the only proviso being that Liverpool FC would be banned for three years longer than the other English clubs. Fittingly the events of April 15 1989 have been taken to the heart of the club's identity as much as any of the on-field triumphs of the 70s and 80s. I am proud of the support Evertonians have offered across the Park and to the innocent families who have carried the awful burden and indescribable pain of Hillsborough. Then of course, Hillsborough has perhaps added another fly in the ointment, so to speak, as well as understandably overshadowing it. Non ero allo stadio (per fortuna). The lack of a full and proper inquiry has also led to a lot of misconceptions too it seems, particularly among younger fans. Thirty-nine people died in the tragedy before the 1985 European Cup Final between Juventus and Liverpool. And while the rejection of the olive branch met with a little consternation on Merseyside, Liverpools supporters know all too well about the type of apology that comes too late, brought by events, to sound truly sincere. For a long time, with so little other information, those images allowed me to let myself believe the poor fan behaviour was from both sides and the tragedy could just as easily have befallen Liverpool fans. Olympic bike star Mark Cavendish and his wife Peta were Now you see it Debbie McGee's riverside home floods again Young mother, 26, hanged herself after calling her Farm Heroes Saga, the #4 Game on iTunes. So why did Everton fall from grace at the same time as other clubs were flourishing? Les Lawson, secretary of the Merseyside branch of the official Liverpool Supporters' Club, believes the time is right for an apology, and many of his members agree. Only a few hundred caused the trouble that led to the deaths, Uefa were partly culpable for the stadium choice, ticket allocation and the stadium authorities for the pathetic segregation of fans & policing. The inquests also found that the design of the stadium contributed to the crush, and that supporters were not to blame for the dangerous conditions. The wall crumbled. The last confirmed sighting of them was more than a week ago in East Ham they could now be anywhere in the UK, which is why it is vital that members of the public continue to contact us with any suspected sightings. A little more recognition closer to home is what they want. As Tony Evans, football editor of The Times and author of Far Foreign Land, a brilliant book about his experiences following Liverpool at Heysel and all over Europe, put it: It was a red herring. maximum sentence of 15 years. It does not convey what happened on the ground at Heysel. The biased Liverpool loving media, ignore this fact of how they continually `bought` their success over two decades. But Essex Police said the trio took a taxi from Harwich to East Ham station in Newham later that day. When we arrived myself and a mate got on a tram to the Vatican and was told by a Roma fan that if they won the game we would be invited to the biggest party party ever, if they lost he advised us to get of Rome quickly or we would be seriously hurt. The latest in the sports world, emailed daily. The Heysel Stadium was never used for a football match again until it was demolished in 1994. The pair were seen leaving the motorway on foot with their newborn. Turin went into mourning. At Hillsborough, Liverpool were unquestionably the victims of gross, lethal negligence by the authorities, a truth established only after a courageous, dignified struggle by the families of the dead. And where have you heard that before? I was there and despite some expressions of sorrow, regret and portion of responsibility, I dont feel these have made their way into the public consciousness. WebAnswer (1 of 5): Not a Liverpool fan, but by Juventus, I assume you mean Heysel? You will have to do an archive search to find anything more than that specifically a couple of news articles on the anniversary. I myself have been labelled murderer by fans of certain teams, even though I was only just walking at the time. But you never hear of this because the tragedy is taboo. Those bereaved and outraged by Hillsborough have fought to keep their campaign for justice alive and been entirely vindicated for doing so. The idea of having the Z section in place was for it to serve as a buffer zone between the opposition fans in Liverpools sections, labelled X and Y, and those of Juventus in O, N, and M, thereby eliminating possible trouble by keeping the hardcore fans apart. The most important aspect of May 29, 1985, were the 32 Italians, 4 Belgians, 2 French people and 1 Northern Irish man: 39 human beings that lost their lives. The turnstiles had been abandoned and you didn't even need a ticket, and there was rubble lying around everywhere. Quite apart from the hooliganism, ticketing arrangements and police strategy and responses were criticised. In the reports of the game there dis no mention of the disaster, just that penalty! During the 1960s, skinhead gangs attached themselves to travelling football crowds in order to create trouble for police. Now 43, he spent his youth following Liverpool's great European adventure largely for free, thanks to his skilful evasion of the authorities. Your email address will not be published. "We will never forgive South Yorkshire police for Hillsborough, so why should Juventus fans ever forgive us? This is progress. UEFAs response was to ban Leeds from European competition for four years. Investigators say the couple appear to know how to evade authorities as CCTV footage shows them covering their faces or looking away making the search for them harder. There was no direct reference to what had happened. As to whether individuals were brought to account, 27 arrests were made on suspicion of manslaughter and 26 men were charged. Before the first leg at Anfield, Liverpool supporters held up a mosaic to form the word amicizia. Jacques Georges, the Uefa president at the time, and Hans Bangerter, his general secretary, were threatened with imprisonment but eventually given conditional discharges. The 18-month investigation into the Heysel Stadium incident that killed 39 people placed primary blame squarely on supporters of the Liverpool team, one more episode in a lengthy history of violence by English fans at international competitions. Its just everything that happened at Hillsborough has been mirrored. Juventus supporters retreated until they were forced against a retaining wall that collapsed, killing 38 Italians and a Belgian. Heysel is an unspeakably awkward subject for Liverpool perhaps more, perhaps less, for the anguish the club and the city endured four years later at Hillsborough. There was nowhere to leave flowers, memories or prayers. The assistance youve provided so far has been invaluable. The weight, added to the poorly maintained construction, meant that the wall collapsed. Hooligans from the far right would not have been welcome.). And yet none of this diminishes the clubs or the supporters right to grieve or to campaign or to express anger over what happened in Sheffield four years later. At Anfield I originally had to search for the plaque, asking security staff, the museum and the stadium tour folk before a player who was there finally took me to it. 29th May. What about justice for Heysel?, they plead. Of all the club sides affected by the ban, Liverpool were hardest hit, missing three European Cups, two UEFA Cups, and a Cup Winners Cup. The family were seen in the city earlier this month, but Miss Marten is believed to have been captured on CCTV after abandoning the car, which had been purchased six days before they went missing. Both Liverpool FC and Juventus, however, publicly opposed the idea, as they believed it wouldand it turns out didprovide an opportunity for ticket touts to sell Z section tickets to both sets of supporters, leading to a mix of travelling fans together. Riot police fired tear gas and pepper spray at Liverpool supporters forced to endure long waits to get into the Champions League final amid logistical chaos on Saturday. Its an event that ties both clubs and will do for a long time to come. The remaining ten defendants were acquitted of manslaughter, but some had their 2,000 bail money confiscated, having been absent for part of the trial. Its weird that a tragedy like this, at a televised showcase final is so under-reported and unexamined. The people that were found guilty of manslaughter do not represent the true values of Liverpool football club. Argentinos Junior were beaten on penalties and Juve were the world champions.. "It was all right at first. But this problem was never seen as a Liverpool problem, or even a Merseyside one. On 11 May 1985, a 14-year-old boy died at St. Andrews Stadium when police forced fans against a wall, which collapsed under the pressure following violence at the match between Birmingham City and Leeds United. 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The couple were later evicted from their Ilford home, moving to the Coldharbour Estate in southeast London. Liverpool fans unfairly blamed for Champions League chaos, French senate report finds. In the 1980s, Everton had encountered a new wave of prowess, winning the league twice in 1985 and 1987. Attitudes to Heysel remain equivocal on Merseyside, in part because the events were never subject to detailed scrutiny. On January 5, they were on the M61 when their car broke down and caught fire near junction four at Farnworth, Bolton. In 1989, after a five-month trial in Brussels, 14 of the 26 Liverpool supporters who stood trial were found guilty of involuntary manslaughter and given a three-year prison sentence, suspended for 18 months, and each ended up serving about a year in total in behind bars. Hai ragione a dire che quella tragica serata erano tutti da biasimare. I was given some very funny looks as I paid my respects in silent prayer, very different from the other supporters, most of whom were too young to really appreciate what I might have been doing there. The experience is very different. The loss of Howard Kendall and his replacement with Colin Harvey seemed to provide a huge change of fortunes, with him only able to take Everton to fourth in 1988 and eighth in 1989. Juventus, for what it was worth, went on to win the game 1-0 after officials acted to continue the game to avoid further incitement to the crowd. Truth is a word that Liverpool fans have held dear since 1989. Most, it seemed, turned their backs in disgust. Last September, Ms Marten and Mr Gordon began moving around the country, renting AirBnBs for brief periods. Perhaps, I thought, a befitting gesture could be made by the club to recognise and reflect this disaster. Ten years before Heysel, during the 1975 European Cup Final between Leeds United and Bayern Munich, a large group of Leeds supporters attacked their German counterparts, as well as match officials and even the players, after a Peter Lorimer goal was controversially disallowed. and Liverpool Go on to the Italian clubs official website in search of a tribute and you will struggle to find anything beyond 106 words within a 645-word article called Juventus wins everything, a tribute to their successes in the 1970s and 1980s. There seems to have been many factors involved and Liverpool fans do need to accept their share of responsibility. Mark Gordon, 48, and partner Constance Marten, 35, have been at the centre of a nationwide police hunt for two weeks as fears have grown for the welfare of Miss Marten's newborn baby. This was a blatant deflection of the truth and is the reason that most Chelsea fans despise Liverpool more than any other. I found this article very informative and brilliantly written, as well as the comments (apart from that last one)! Remarkable piece. However, there have been several sightings including in Essex and East London, Ms Marten and her partner Mark Gordon have been missing since January 5 after their car broke down and caught fire on the M61. How Many Offers Do Liverpool Medical School Give Out? The ban was voted to continue each year for five years, and Liverpool only ended up serving one extra year of the ban than their counterparts. Ms Marten is from an aristocratic landowning family in Dorset with 'ties to the Royal Family', and police say the couple have a substantial amount of cash, allowing them to live off-grid. The baby is swaddled. The comments below have been moderated in advance. The source believed Marten had a few odd jobs, but Gordon did not work. In a sense he expects nothing less. Football, from that moment, would never be the same again. Its a joyless success, but the victory enabled the Bianconeri to fly to Tokyo in winter to play the Intercontinental Cup final. By the time the European Cup Final came around, there were already major concerns about the Heysel Stadium itself. When Heysel happened, Liverpool FC tried to displace the blame from their fans. Republican presidential favorite proposes PERMANENT ban on mask and vaccine mandates in Florida as part of new 'common-sense' bill. He is still scarred by what he witnessed that night. Their biggest beef lies with regional foe Manchester United, though they also have long standing rivalries with Premier League mates Everton, Chelsea, Tottenham Hotspur, Manchester City, and Arsenal. ", He says of Tuesday: "Liverpool is a sentimental city, too sentimental sometimes, and I'm not sure if a load of people who weren't there saying sorry will achieve anything. In police statements, Gordon is described as wearing dark clothing while Ms Marten is said to have a southern accent and was wearing a burgundy coat. When she was 21, Ms Marten was deemed an 'It' girl, appearing on fashion magazine Tatler's Babe of the Month page, while she was a student in 2008. A coroner later ruled he was the 97th fatality and was unlawfully killed. At my visit last year I met a Juve supporter at the ground. May 29th 1985 will go down as one of footballs darkest days. At least 30,000 Liverpool fans made the trip to Istanbul, but only 20,000 were expected to have tickets. Dopo quellassurdo evento le istituzioni inglesi hanno messo le cose a posto negli stadi, mentre da noi in Italia by The Anfield Wrap | May 29, 2013 | Featured Writing, Footie, Heysel, Hillsborough | 37 comments, NOW that the lies, the smears and cruel myths about the Hillsborough disaster have been exposed once and for all, those who clung to them out of warped tribalism have but one straw left to clutch. Ms Marten's father, Napier Marten, was a pageboy to Queen Elizabeth II before giving up his 115million fortune after an 'epiphany' that told him to flee his 'materialistic' life. On June 6, FIFA followed suit by banning English club teams from worldwide competitions. by NickWirral - 23rd Dec 2022 12:19pm. We stop on May 29 each year and think of them, and Liverpool fans too young to have seen it, or been there, look at their names and mourn. The only boundary between the two was a temporary chain-link fence, thinly policed. They are more approachable on the subject that many would think and are often very glad to know that we have not forgotten the 39. Heysel Stadium disaster, tragedy at an association football match on May 29, 1985, at Heysel Stadium in Brussels, Belgium, that resulted in 39 deaths and 400 injuries. I came home that day, a changed person, and hated football for a while. "I would hope there will be at the least a minute's silence, so that Liverpool fans can show to Juventus counterparts in the stadium and back in Italy that we are truly sorry for what happened back in 1985. New inquests into the disaster are probing allegations of a complex series of failures by the authorities on the day. The blame for Heysel was initially laid entirely on Liverpool fans, and 14 were later found guilty of manslaughter and jailed. They were spotted in Harwich Port in Essex at around 9am on January 7. 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